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On May, 2001 the following message was posted online to XP-Archaeology Yahoo e-Groups:
Proof that [Q3], the square hole, relates to (F) sound and not (P):
By Ossama Alsaadawi
Brief abstract:
*1- Primary reading:
Egyptian archaeologist and Egyptologist Ahmad Afandi Naguib: ~ 1893 AD
>> [Q3] has the value of (f) and not (p). Therefore, Ptah reads truly as 'ftah' - (Ancients of Nile Valley) - pages 259, 289, 325.
Egyptian linguist and Egyptologist Anton Zikri: >> [Q3] has the value of (f) anf not (p). Therefore, Ptah reads truly as 'ftah', Key of AE language - page109. >> [N1:X1*Z1] has the Coptic value (fi) for (pt), sky.
Key to Ancient Egyptian Language, page 123.
>> [O1], the house sign, has the value of (fr) and not (pr). [D21:Z1-O1:Z1], has the Coptic value (er-fi) = temple.
Key to Ancient Egyptian Language, page 123.
Egyptian linguist and Egyptologist Ahmad Bek Kamal:
>> [Q3] has the value of (f) and not (p). Therefore, Ptah reads as 'ftah' - (Bagheyit Altalibeen - page 125).
*2- Further independent study:
Hieroglyphic sign [Q3], the square hole or 'stool of reed matting', as defined by Gardiner, is classified by linguists as Hebrew (F) letter. They are also nearly similar in shape.
Hieroglyphic signs [Q3] and [O1] have been clearly offered Coptic value (F), (phi) in many Hieroglyphic words that include these two signs.
Examples:
Coptic Etymological Dictionary, Compiled by J. Cerny, Sometime Professor of Egyptology in the University of Oxford, Page - 225
An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, By, E.A. Wallis Budge, I.S.B.N: 0-486-23615-3, Comes in two volumes.
Pages: 42 - 229 - 230 - 233 - 234 - 237 - 243 - 245 - 597 - 991 - etc.
Original work of Champollion:
*3- Sound comparisons and etymology of Egyptian
names of districts, towns, villages and places:
There are hundreds of current places in Egypt that still carry their original AE names.
Few examples:
(Fayoom), a district south-west to Cairo,
[G40-G1-M17*M17-G17-N35A] = Fayoom, Ancient Egyptian language, ISBN 977-19-5447-4, p. 239
(Atfeeh), a town in Giza: [D1-O49] = Atfeeh, AEL, p. 232, ++ Budge EHD P. 1056
(Safd-Elhinna), a village near Zaqaziq town, [S29-Q3:D46-X8-C1], AEL, p. 238, ++ Budge EHD P. 1035
*4- Sound comparisons and etymology of Egyptian colloquial and Coptic words:
Few examples:
(Fasakh), equivalent to [Q3:O34:Aa1*D54], = elapse, pass, Budge EHD P. 232, 248 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (pasakh)!
(Fat), equivalent to [Q3-G40-X1], [Q3:X1-D54], = elapse, pass, Budge EHD P. 230, 253 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (pat)!!
(Fashesh), equivalent to [Q3:N37A:N37A]-D54, = crash, shatter, Budge EHD P. 251 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (pashesh)!
(Fashr), equivalent to [Q3:N37A:D21], = lies - Budge EHD P. 251 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (pashr).
(Haf), equivalent to [O4:Q3-A24], = beat, Budge EHD P. 446 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (paf)!!
(Haafi), equivalent to [M16-G1-Q3-S28], = barefoot, Budge EHD P. 462 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (haapi)!!
(Faqir), equivalent to [Q3*N29:D21:N33A], = poor, Budge EHD P. 252 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (paqir)!!
(Fad'i), equivalent to [Q3-G1-I10&N33] = empty - Budge EHD P. 233 .. There is no Egyptian word that phones as (pad'i)!!
*5- Popular Coptic names, few examples:
(Fat-Hi), equivalent to [Q3:X1-V28-A2], [Q3:X1-V28-D54], Budge EHD P. 254 .. There is no Coptic name (Pat-Hi)!!
(FaraH), equivalent to [Q3:D21-V28-D54], Budge EHD P. 243 .. There is no Coptic name (ParaH)!!
(Fakhri), equivalent to [G40-F32:D21:D54], Budge P. 232, 246 .. There is no Coptic name (Pakhri)!!
(Ra2oof), equivalent to [D21:Z1-Q3], Budge P. 415 .. There is no Coptic name (Pa2oof)!!
(Fadi), equivalent to [G40-G1-D46:X6], There is no Coptic name (Padi)!!
*6- Sound Comparisons within Egyptian Herbs and plants:
Many Egyptian herbs and plants still carry their original AE names. Ahmad Bek Kamal gives many examples.
One example: broad bean, Ancient Egyptian - (fuul), [Q3:Z7-N33:Z3], Coptic - (fuul), Current Egyptian (fuul)
++ Coptic Etymological Dictionary, Page - 225
*7- Comparison between Egyptian and Greek etymology of
AE words, One example, Name of Queen: (Kleopatra), Greek etymology.
(Kilobatra), Egyptian etymology.
Sign by sign comparison of cartouche of Queen Cleopatra >> King No. 418 / Budge list of AE kings - page 945
never lead to true sign deciphering of included Hieroglyphs,
++ Egyptian Grammar, Being an introduction to the study of Hieroglyphs, By, Sir Alan Gardiner, Third Edition, pages 14, 15.
*8- Arabic sources:
They all refer to [Q3] to have (F) sound, One example:
Arabic Linguist Dr. Ali Fahmi Bakhashwain writes in his book, Gods of Arabic Egypt, pages 17, 111, (per-3a), has an original AE sound of (fer-3a), from which (pher3awn), (firos), etc, have been derived.
*9- Further assertions:
Prof. Joseph Davidovits, France (after consultation with Prf. Dr. Antonio Lopreiano):
[Q3] has the value of (F) and it was turned to (P) during the Ptolemaic epoch when (phi) read roughly as (pi), yielding (Ftah) to (Ptah)!
Mr. Jack Dean, USA
[Q3] has the value of (F), independent study.
Mr. Avry Wilson, Canada
[Q3] has the value of (F), independent study.
*10- Conclusion:
[Q3], the square hole, has a True phone of (F) and not (P).
Ossama Alsaadawi
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