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The following messages were posted from the great American savant Mr. Bill Meek to the Guardian's discussion board:


By Bill ( - on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 04:54 pm:


These names you are giving us are interesting because they relate the ancient Egyptians to the cultural area around them, namely eastern Africa and the Arabian peninsula. I believe that this area of the world was and is all one inter-related cultural zone. The modern day Ethiopians also come from southern Arabia-the Habasha.

I always wondered why the ancient Egyptian names in the American school textbooks never looked or sounded like any other names in the history of the world !

Now I see with your phonetic spellings that they sound like other African and Middle Eastern names !


By Bill ( - on Thursday, January 6, 2000 - 09:37 pm:

As specifically to the point of the evolution of the Egyptian language; there isn't much evidence, that I'm aware of, that the fundamental culture of AE changed much after the OK. There were changes in court fashions and other relatively superficial features of the lives of the upper classes but AE cultural life seems to demonstrate a basic conservatism.

This contrasts radically with the restless, sometimes irreverent dynamism of the West (at least as far back as Ancient Greece. When we look at 'traditional' cultures around the world we often see native languages borrowing words from outsiders but the words are almost always literally the same pronunciation as the outsiders' (particularly if the outsiders' language is from a different family of languages).

There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the language of AE and the languages of some of the 'Asiatics' were closely related.

It is also possible that the spoken language of the AEs didn't change as much or as dramatically as the languages of Europeans. There were all sorts of dislocations, major population shifts, scientific, artistic and technological changes that occurred in Europe that make Western languages and history fundamentally different from that of many 'Third World' countries. After all, why does a language change? Isn't it primarily due to various and sundry influences and innovations and the receptivity of the local population to same?

I would also suspect that the last people to change would be those attached to the soil-the fellahin-who would interact with the larger world of culture and commerce the least. It also wouldn't surprise me if certain clandestine groups or secret societies kept certain 'dead languages and symbolism' alive in their native land in total defiance of all outside influence and 'progress'.

Therefore Ossama's basic premise that the phonetic nature of the Egyptian language still lives in Egypt is quite plausible.